ForumsQuestionsSubfolders... C'mon people! Add this feature!!
Subfolders... C'mon people! Add this feature!!
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daniel |
I have seen MANY posts on here asking for subfolders. Instead of trying to convince your users that they don't need subfolders, why not listen to the valuable feedback that your customers are providing to you?? Start working on this desperately needed feature!! :)
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ontariolaw |
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idilia4 |
So agree! this basic feature should be there by default and not in the $15 version!
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marphod |
I would like this, as well.
You can kind-of fake it with stupid tag tricks, but native support would be very nice. |
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Gordon |
15$ is cheap (PER YEAR), I pay it thankfully.
This program just-plain-works which I can't say for most of the others. It is a delicate balance between having enough features, and having too many. We are supposed to work with our systems, not on them. Toodledo has accomplished that. I used workarounds for the first year, then I decided that this app is going to be part of my system permanently. I spent more than $15 on my hole puncher. Seems cheap to me. If we don't pay them, they might (GASP) sell the company! Then ad banners show up, targeted ads that use your IP address, viagra ads, Yikes! Katou |
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marphod |
Posted by Gordon:
15$ is cheap (PER YEAR), I pay it thankfully. Well, yes. If I were employed, 15$ would be cheap. On the other hand, even if I had a paid account, I still wouldn't have sub-folders. I'm not sure what your point is. |
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Transisto |
Posted by Gordon:
This program just-plain-works which I can't say for most of the others. It is a delicate balance between having enough features, and having too many. We are supposed to work with our systems, not on them. Toodledo has accomplished that. I used workarounds for the first year, then I decided that this app is going to be part of my system permanently. If we don't pay HIM, they might (GASP) sell the company! Then ad banners show up, targeted ads that use your IP address, viagra ads, Yikes! WTF ??? Oh Sarcasm, I get it. +1 for your idea to sell the company Ps: nothing to do with subfolder This message was edited Apr 26, 2010. |
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PeterW |
I don't think Gordon was being sarcastic. A Toodledo subscription is very inexpensive for the value provided.
As with all feature requests, a balance needs to be found. Issues such as ease-of-use and whether or not it will benefit the whole user community have to be taken into consideration. I for one don't need sub-folders and until now haven't noticed anyone else asking for them. To me, such a feature sounds like it belongs in fully fledged project management software rather than in a task management app. Just my $0.02 worth! |
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sknipfing |
I'm with PeterW on this. Folders, to me, should be kept to a minimum. If you need to group folders together, you can always add a tag. Toodledo is not an OS when sub folders are a must. It is a task management system.
I would prefer to see work in other areas. |
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Transisto |
Sub folder is very far from being a priority, I'm OK with that.
I don't see it like gordon on : This program just-plain-works... We are supposed to work with our systems, not on them. Toodledo has accomplished that. I used workarounds for the first year, ... 1. Some very basic feature are buggy and very awkward to use, So to me it does not "just work". 2. Some are working more on fixing the system than using it. Greasemonkey anyone ? 3. I don't see how selling the company would make things that worst. VIAGRA ? I'm OK with that Ps: Asking for small improvement in the forum is also a waste of time, That is for sure! This message was edited Apr 27, 2010. |
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Gordon |
I assumed you meant subtasks, since the creators have said repeatedly that subfolders are not, and will not ever be supported.
Subtasks perform many of the same tasks as subfolders. If you have subfolders, you have hierarchy trees, and sub-sub-folders, etc. Simplicity is quickly lost. I am lucky I guess in that the functions I use regularly work well, no bugs. I've been unemployed, and dead broke. I could still afford $15 for a tool that is very nearly as ubiquitous and useful as my computer. If this tool is just for sometime use, then yes, it should be free, so I agree with you there. I fix a lot of stuff, and I have no problem spending $13 for a high-quality screwdriver. I guess I look at this the same way. |
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marphod |
No, I actually meant subfolders.
If the developers decide never to implement them, that's their choice. it is, IMO, an unfortunate choice, especially if there are that many users who ask for it (as implied above). |
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JPA_2 |
Add the subfolders and let the users make the decision. Other than the lack of subfolders Toodledo is the best.
I however find myself switching back to a BB using ToDo Matrix and IdeaMatrix which are perfect (have subfolders, etc.) but are on the wrong platform. |
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saskia.x |
Personally I don't see how subfolders are particularly essential if you're a Pro user (with subtasks), but then again we all have our own ways of organising our tasks and perhaps some people want extra complex hierarchical systems, or maybe they just really don't like the idea of using something like goals to accomplish this. As far as I'm concerned, Toodledo already has many, many layers which can be used as a heirarchy (3 levels of nested goals, folders, tasks/subtasks, plus the added layers of tags & contexts), and for sub-sub tasks you can always use a checklist in the notes or something. I use short term goals for larger-scale projects which have many "sub-projects", which works very well for me. Are there any drop-down fields (e.g. context/goal) that you don't use much at the moment? If so, you can use that field as a kind of "subfolder" - if you sort by that field, the tasks will all be grouped under collapsible headings that mimic "subfolders" pretty well. This is a bit like how I use short-term goals.
I know people think of things like this as "workarounds" but in this case I just don't think that's really true; the only reason it's a workaround is that it's YOU who has to create it rather than the developer. If you can get the tasks to display on the screen as though they were in subfolders, then to all intents & purposes they are in subfolders! Computer-based organisational systems are all about illusions anyway; your "files" on you computer aren't really in folders, they just appear that way because the computer creates that illusion. Same with Toodledo. The trouble is with arguments like "Add the subfolders and let the users make the decision" is that there are many, many features that would be lovely to have, and Toodledo have to prioritise these somehow. Probably in terms of how easy they are to develop, how many people have requested them, whether you can already accomplish the same thing with creative use of existing features, their overall long-term plans for the app, etc. If they add one feature, another will get pushed down the list a bit. So it's a case of "do enough users want subfolders badly enough, and is this realistic in terms of the other work that needs to be done?" and if there are too many other more popular feature requests then there just aren't the resources to add subfolders right now. Posted by marphod: Well, yes. If I were employed, 15$ would be cheap. I think it depends what your priorities are, and whether you actually want/need the Pro features. I first took out my paid subscription as a single mother and student living on state benefits, and I didn't think it was too much considering what I was getting. It works out at about £10, and I would easily spend more than that on a night out, or on transport for a couple of weeks, or a book for university, so £10 for a year's use of a tool that helps me to make more of my life seems good value! That £10 has contributed more to my life overall than most other things I spend £10 on. |
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j.f.dejong |
The way I handle my tasks and projects, it doesn't really matter if it is folders with subfolders or tasks with subtasks.
It's just that in some projects I need more than three levels (folder, task, subtask). I hate it when that happens, but I hate it even more when I can't use my favourate Todo app to organise these projects. So please, if you don't consider using subfolder, consider using subsubtasks. In most cases I can do without, otherwise I wouldn't be using Toodledo, but in some cases it would be so nice I could wet my bed for it. |
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DrLaban |
I'm not sure that it's because I'm such a David Allen biased GTD:er but when I hear him mention subprojects for projects I visualise Folder and Subfolder in front of me.
My rationale behind this is that when I create a Project (Folder) and there are other related projects (subprojects) within that, I just don't have the mindset to go "Ooh, right I need a task with subtasks for that.". I think this is because it feels awkward to think; "Yep, I got my project (folder) made. Now, let's go create a subproject (task with subtasks).". Instead I want to go "Yep, I got my project (folder) made. Now, let's go create a subproject (folder) and put some tasks in that." but can't since there are no subfolders. This message was edited Jan 09, 2011. |
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Andrew A |
@DrLaban
LOL... for the same reason, I don't mind them being on the same level... with the same concept of subprojects, often various parts can move in parallel... as opposed to being "buried" in there. Keeps them under my nose, as it were. But I do use subtasks when necessary (and I suppose somewhat oddly), but more to group a set of related tasks rather than a project approach (a set of tasks with a broader goal) |
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DrLaban |
Sure, having them on the same level would be an alternative. But that would mean I probably end up with tons of folders on the top level = hard to overview. And also being forced the task to name them appropriately to easily see what parent folder the folder I'm looking at belongs to. If I don't, I'd have to look at what's in the folder and then figure it out.
I'm curious as to what the rationale behind NOT adding subfolders is about. Subtasks are in there, why no subfolders? It would still be possible to do what you do, Andrew, if there was a setting such as "Flat folder view". That means all folders remain on the top level while still having the hierarchical structure, fully maintained when not in the flat view. This message was edited Jan 13, 2011. |
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brzbrian |
Count me in on the list of wanting, rather needing this feature. For myself and those other members, I'd be glad to help encourage this initiative -
How about $100? Sounds like there might be others who could also help raise a bounty on this. And that's in addition to the Pro account, which I'll happily sign up for as this feature should be in there. I'm not in an outstanding financial situation, however I'm willing invest in what is right now the only thing that is going to make me evaluate other software. (Devs/Admins - Email me if you would like my payment information - I really want this feature.) |
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mamoooth |
Yet another user who would like to have subfolders! :)
I have just subscribed to the 7 days trial of the Pro version; and was expecting to have the subfolders there. But still, they don't exist. => disappointing :( For those above who says, they don't need subfolders; that's actually not the point! Toodledo claims to provide flexibility; and there are obvious reasons why subfolders would be useful and apparently a critical mass of users who want to haven them. Could someone from the developers comment on this? - whether subfolder are planned, - and if yes, when are they going to be available? Cheers. |
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